WHy do you think its worse? Does the new Lumix S1 have what it takes to compete with the likes of the Sony A7 III, Nikon Z6 and Canon EOS R? It delivered a large majority of keepers even when tracking erratic moving targets. It's because it's an entirely new system to invest in, and if you're someone like me who owns a GH5, there's not much this camera can do that the GH5 can't. Dpreview seems to value action shooting performance a lot and convenience. Why not mention that at all on the VLOG review page? Look at the Canon 1D and Nikon D5 pro series models, they are tanks and have a record of holding up in all sorts of extreme conditions. Another benefit of a moderate pixel count on a full-frame sensor is that the S1's dynamic range is very high. View our sample gallery to see how a bit of shift can change a photo or introduce creative effects. @pollup: interesting analogy with the piano and the usb drive...but IMHO the problem is that you are comparing two different products with different levels of complexity. You just said what I said. @s1oth1ovechunk: Experience with G9 and GH5 both of which have DPD Autofocus system, just like the S1/R. @Naveed Akhtar: Aparently you have not used and compared it well, but i have, with my dog in simmilar situations with different cameras.. Would they have braved it alone in SA mount? S1 still uses DFD autofocus is an absolute TRAGEDY. These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both speed and focus for capturing fast action and offer professional-level image quality. Have you actually held one of these? It does exceptionally well for pose portrait, slow walking, or landscape. Only time will tell. Give it a couple of years to see if this system is worthy given what direction Panasonic is going to take. Summary of the review: this camera is really top grade, IQ, built quality, handling, ergonomics.AF is great too. Stop using physics even though you haven't demonstrated your understanding of the subject. We've reviewed the S1 first, as we felt that this less expensive stills/video model will have broader appeal. I highly doubt it! dslr lenses are designed to be used with pdaf, and Panasonic L-mount does not use pdaf, so you would be limited to cdaf-only with adapted dslr lenses. tilting EVF. Not too hard to understand. Just one anecdote to my perspective. If one manual focuses though, you are in for a treat. DJI's second-generation Pocket camera includes a long list of useful upgrades including a wider, faster lens, a larger sensor, more resolution, improved audio and an optional handle that significantly improves control and supports live streaming. I hope you found this review to be useful! H. L. Mencken, 1917. Having never seen this magical AF, I also don't understand the review. Carry a couple extra batteries. The Panasonic S1 and S1R were first announced at Photokina in 2018. People like the size. The truth is cameras do not need to be as durable as they are already. ", https://www.dpreview.com/news/5645755619/sony-a7r-iii-pixel-shift-lifts-a-veil-off-your-landscapes. This camera is not too big!All other mirrorless cameras are TOO SMALL! Empty gallery... dozens of comments attacking Panasonic, but why? Panasonic Lumix S1 Review - The 24mp S1 is Panasonic's full-frame mirrorless camera, offering DSLR styling and controls, with a high-resolution electronic viewfinder. Please refresh the page and try again. Steve has been shooting with the S1 professionally for over 3 months, and shares his impartial views with us below. Yongnuo, makers of lenses, cameras and other photo accessories, has filed a patent for a modular mirrorless camera system. Meanwhile, the 47.3Mp S1R is the high-resolution model aimed at pro stills photographers who may want to shoot video â check out our Panasonic S1R review. That'd be true if professionals are willing to buy into a new system that is not class-leading. If you're looking for a high-quality camera, you don't need to spend a ton of cash, nor do you need to buy the latest and greatest new product on the market. Personally, I sort of agree. I do acknowledge it still is a good option to have anyways. Does 'animal-AF' work on dinosaurs? because they are all aimed for video shooters. contd.. Yeah, their sales maybe low but not because it's not a solid camera. 'What's the best mirrorless camera?' If you can get past the EOS R's lack of in-body image stablisation, it's a very competent rival to the Lumix S1. Heck, I'm surprised they have lagged behind with the touchscreen on their cameras. Meanwhile, the 47.3Mp S1R is the high-resolution model aimed at pro stills photographers who may want to shoot video – check out our Panasonic S1R review. I hate dslrs, but i'd never claim that durability is an issue for the higher-end dslrsâ¦ you can pound nails with some of those dslr bricks, they have a proven track record. Crucially, having three manufacturers in the L-Mount Alliance means that the number of compatible lenses should grow quicker than average. For a bare-bones kit, the S1 plus the Panasonic 24-105mm f/4 isn’t a bad choice at all, and that combo totals a fairly reasonable $3400. One notices the size/weight instantly, but durability one has to test over time. Layer in rain, salt spray and lots of dust. Connectivity: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth Dpreview:The Panasonic S1, and its sibling the S1R, are the only full-frame mirrorless cameras on the market that handle and feel as if they were built to truly pro-level standards. Nikon Z6 in full frame video gives 144 mbpsPanasonic in full frame goes only to 100 mbps. If the camera had the best video performance in the world it still wouldn't matter to most people as its a stills camera. Cyber Monday camera deals in the UK: cameras, lenses, laptops + more, The best dash cam in 2020: constant protection for you and your vehicle, The best instant cameras in 2020 âÂ from best instax to best Polaroid cameras. It was you who criticized that Sony went all small and unbalanced. But I do admit that sometimes a product that is smaller/lighter can definitely be very tough and more durable than it seems. You do not. Before I use this camera, I thought the Nikon Z6 and Z7’s electronic viewfinder is amazing and best in the market. I shoot BIF, aviation/warbirds and fast-action motorsports with it. It's available in Canon EF, Fuji X, Leica M, M42, MFT, Nikon F, Pentax K and Sony E mounts and the first units are expected to ship in January 2021. The S1R … For the record I love Sony and enjoy shooting with it and was an early adopter and remember when people were jumping over the light weight of Sony compared to DSLR alternatives and ridiculing it for its light weight. Not too big or too small, with a solid interface. I am not sure what you're trying to say with that first paragraph. Autofocus: DFD contrast AF Manufacturer: Panasonic. @brendon1000 Oooof that's quite the stretch for an argument. Currently using with a Zeiss sonnar 1.5. There are obviously 2 camps regarding size/weight; those who want less, and those who at the very least don't mind more and even value it for durability and balance with heavier lenses. The GH5s has specs that not too many still photographers would want or need. I'm really happy using the camera traveling with it on vacation, shooting wedding and landscape. There are a lot of photo/video cameras that have found a role as B-cameras on professional productions or A-camera for amateur and independent productions. With Panasonic S1, you can record your videos at a highest resolution of 3840 x 2160 at 60p, 30p, 25p, 24p fps with bit rates up to 150 mbps and save in MPEG-4, H.264 and H.265 formats. So where does this "running with dogs" show up in the review? @jeffharris I love how you think and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. The K1 is smaller and lighter has in body stabilization and better battery life, better pixel shift tech and more mega pixels for 1/2 the price. ("2001" - cool, maybe prophetic for the future? I just posted over five years experience with sony ff milc, so don't make false claims that "none of the mirrorless cameras have any track record". Dpreview takes the competition that is available before awarding a camera. I do not like the side hinge too, it makes your camera wider when doing shots close to the ground or above your head. It's an easy question. The S lineup makes a brand new line and one that aims to sway professional photographers and videographers alike. Question: does the Z6 have the ability to move the focus point with a finger when using the EVF, like the GX8? how come you can't tell the difference between that and Thoughts R Us calling sony owners "annoying online tr*lls". Panasonic has announced firmware upgrades for its S1, S1R, S1H and S5 full-frame mirrorless cameras, which extend the degree to which the four models share features and performance levels. I just looked at the studio test scene. The Panasonic S1 is a solid, high-quality camera that delivers superb video and stills in many situations, it only lacks in credentials as a sports camera. The Panasonic Lumix S1 is a full-frame mirrorless camera with 24 MP, built-in stabilisation and 4k 60p video. Oh, and it's a lot of fun too. Maybe...but it may be a myth as well. EVF/LCD. NOT SO GOOD FOR: "Photographers requiring a top-notch autofocus system. I think Olympus with E-M1 II have a 1/60s already and Sony with A9 have 1/160s. @jeffharris It does and it also has a joystick near where your thumb rests like the GH5. I must have missed that...Have you any personal experience at all with DFD & C-AF? Snap Verdict. How soft we have become. LCD: Â 3.2-inch triaxial-tilt LCD with 2,100,000 dots With 5,760,000 dots, the OLED electronic viewfinder (EVF) is the highest resolution viewfinder around. Or does have have some weird reason to do so? Competition is good for the customer. I own a camera with a pancake lens, I always place my hand under the lens when I shoot, to add stability. Iâm sure every press agency in the world is supposed to just take your little story as evidence that Sony can hold up over time. Both the S1 and the S5 are mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that are equipped with a full frame sensor. Launched alongside the 47 MP Lumix S1R, they’re Panasonic's debut bodies in their L-mount alliance with Leica and Sigma.Find out how the more affordable S1 performs for photos and video in my in-depth and updated review!… Kind of funny how people seem to forget that Panasonic's been making MILCs for just over 10 years now, and that yes, they do have an excellent track record for build quality/durabilty/reliability - at least with regards to their flagship models like the G9, GH5, GH4, and so on. This is most definitely primarily a stills camera and should be judged accordingly. => this is not a good assumption though, it's not scientific, just "feels solid". Best EVF, best IBIS, dual card slot, great dynamic range and high ISO performance, fully touch screen, 400,000 shutter life, great ergonomic and work with my Canon lens. In fact it's kind of amazing that they got that high res mode to work even with some limited motion in the subject or among the photographer hand holding the unit. Panasonic S1 Review - S1 Performance. The substance are the written sections coupled with the score. It's definitely a good thing, but am pointing out on dpR scoring on video comparison, where rating is for all features internal to camera. This point will make #3 a little less, Price, this camera is $500 more expensive, and the lenses are more expensive then the Sony counterparts too (except for the 24-105), so there will be less money in your pocket to take with you... :)5. Do I need the Panasonic S1H, or is the S1 with Log upgrade just as good? I am glad mate you enjoying this lovely camera.For photos world, this is a great tool, you should not be worried for AF, its among the best. Both cameras are also compatible with existing Leica SL lenses as well as APS-C 'TL' glass. you do not speak for people who actually own and use milc. Factor its huge dynamic range and great high ISO performance, along with stunning video quailty, and the S1 is a superb full-frame mirrorless camera and a worthy rival to the full-frame competition from Canon, Nikon and Sony. Guess im saving for the Sony A7R4 now. Because all equipment is so good these days, if one actually used it one would appreciate that and offer at the very least a more measured critique of both positives and negatives. Size: The Panasonic is a lot larger.So in the end it is right that they got a silver award. Video. The video AF section of our review is already based on Firmware V1.2. But I am surprised they haven't got anything like Panny's high res mode. By. Please deactivate your ad blocker in order to see our subscription offer, We check over 130 million products every day for the best prices. Is there still such a thing as a pro in 2019? But since this site is the preserve of macho techie yahoo's no surprise it gets upvotes. DPReview TV: The Panasonic S1 V-Log Firmware Update, DPReview TV: Panasonic 10-25mm F1.7 Preview + S1H and S1 firmware announcements. I've used my Canon 5DIV to shoot occasionally. It's very accurate. Both cameras offer a resolution of 24 megapixels. There really is no record here of MILCman actually using his Sony camera. Panasonic review published after nearly 5 months. So, why don’t I highly recommend it? There is no substantive track record of people using Sony in the toughest of conditions. Need to ev +1 in high contrast shots. Right now without an ability to seamlessly adapt more lenses, Panasonic is at a great disadvantage. Alongside the S1 and its higher-resolution sibling, the S1R, Panasonic also announced 50mm F1.4, 24-105mm F4 and 70-200mm F4 lenses for the L system. Size: The Panasonic is a lot larger.So in the end it is right that they got a silver award, although this is a great camera, and in several ways better better (but also more expensive) then the A7III. Same with Fujifilm which had to drop the price of its X-H1 from $1699 body-only to $1199 body+battery grip. Great camera, love the size and handling experience. It's not the best but it's mile ahead of Canon 6D and better in some way than 5DIV (eyeAF). Again, a nonsensical and pointless comment by MILC man. It's an ergonomic dream. Really attractive camera. Not sure when EVF (not that it doesn't have its own set of problems) or IBIS becomes more important than the AF performance, Sensor performance and lens selection. MIOPS has announced Flex, a new smart camera gadget designed to make it easy and simple to capture lightning strikes, action images, holy grail timelapse videos and much more. No one thinks of Sony as the ultimate in reliability. In our latest buying guide we've selected some cameras that might be a bit older but still offer a lot of bang for the buck. However, it's impressive. It is a natural assumption that something that is heavier and larger would be more durable. The S1 has a Camera Elo of 3533. And they will love the build quality and files they get. Actually, why bother with all this nonsense when the new Samsung Note 10 is on the horizon? The AF is very accurate though so when it locks it produces a sharp shot. The Panasonic Lumix S1 is a great first full-frame camera from Panasonic, and one with which Panasonic has also established a distinctive model. A silver award seems about right. Here the Lumix S1 excels, clearly beating the competition from Canon, Nikon and Sony throughout its sensitivity range. The S1 is big, heavy and solid. I'd thus say that for my usage scenario (tilting horizontally and vertically) dual-hinged is objectively better than fully-articulated. If you don't shoot a lot of action, esp. The Panasonic S1’s 24MP full-frame CMOS sensor achieves a high overall DxOMark score of 95, which is the 12th-highest place overall among all of the cameras in our database. Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 sensor review. Panasonic S1 vs S5. No price is given at this time, but the adapter is set to be available by the end of the year. That Sony tracking AF must be quite intoxicating. You don't offer 10 Bit 422 Vlog to a casual user. @jeffharis : Sony a7iii and a9 prove you wrong though, the battery life is amazing and they're mirrorless + small body. But people have found out that a bit larger size has some advantages too. Most of us understand that the advantages of going to medium format digital, with its cost and lens limitations, limit it to a small percentage of photographers. The event, which will show off a new 'DN' lens for mirrorless camera systems, is set to take place at 7am ET (4am PT) on December 1. (ex: if they get the S1R afterwards, they can expect it to feel like the S1). There aren't many cons that will prevent gold award. If people loved big sizes then m43 cameras would never have sold. It is so nice to use. And yes, the Sony trolls are annoying. Verdict . Digital Camera World is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. 22.8K ; photo by JacobLund via iStock. Maybe, but the advantages for bringing a specialized camera like that into the fold of this family seem hard to ignore. The only other comment is what weird colour shifts and moire the sony exhibits, especially at higher iso's. The GH5S was created solely for video makers so I am not sure where you're getting this idea that Panasonic is only looking to take on still photographers because nothing in their history indicates that.You're just reverberating everything DPR said about the camera as fact and I am telling you that people feel differently. I don't usually write on these things, especially after 2001 prior comments! @unhappymealâ¦Sorry, no newsletter or blogs from me! This means that Panasonic S1 provides 4K (Ultra-HD) video. Availability of lenses....6. One rule on these forums: if someone is just outright criticizing a piece of equipment, they most likely have never used it. WIth Sony's release of the A7RMK4 there is very little point in the Fuji GFX (the $10,000 one being the exception) or Hasselblad or any Canon or the Nikon Z7. The integrity of the body is likely to hardly ever come into question while their spec is current. Sony has mirrorless fast AF figured out, and of course makes great sensors. You keep saying that the video performance is good. This system without a large, uncompromised lens selection is a hard pill to swallow. The metering seemed to be off for some of the sample pictures, especially for those pictures with high dynamic range. Hey Panasonic...WAKE UP! The rear camera (or cameras) on an iPhone has all the latest bells and whistles, but how do you use them to capture a selfie or record a video of yourself? I like your humour, but the size and weight might not a problem for ever body, but I know a lot of people who will let their camera at home, because it is to large and heavy....And that "balancing" thing it is just funny. Yet the SL mount alliance decided that bodies and lenses must be big and bigger and weight more and more. It is like a Lebron James on one end of the see saw and Muggsy Bogues on the other end. @its_a_knife - At the end of the day these cameras are primarily designed for still photography. The sales have been pretty bad as well as consumers don't seem very impressed with the new Panasonic offerings. • Best travel camera in 2019 However, in the comparison with Z6 (the other camera I have been tossing with S1), the video is rated better on Z6. Panasonic; Reviews; Panasonic Lumix S1 Review: On the road with a stack of L-mount and M-mount lenses. I assume ratings/award is also relative to existing competition. The S1 competes with the likes of the Canon EOS R, Nikon Z6 and Sony a7 III. (Next time I use the S1, I will measure it). When we first reported on the alleged ransomware attack back in August, Canon said it was 'investigating the situation.' Lovely combo. See our full Canon EOS R review. Only time will tell how strong it really is, but over my extended review period, it felt the toughest of all the mirrorless cameras I’ve tested with the heft exuding confidence – it really feels like a professional camera. Plus you can use the S1 to hammer fragile dead sony bodies into fragments. The camera will have the processing power for it, and it would be a way to allow one to have both a high speed sports shooter camera with lower megapixels and one that can also do high res images. Even if there was a direct correlation between score and award (there isn't), keep in mind the A7 III was reviewed over a year ago. Solid controls and ergonomics. For now, the app is in beta and limited to a handful of Samsung Galaxy smartphones, but as development continues, it's safe to assume support for other Android devices is on the way. But, since the Panasonic Lumix S1 came out a few years ago, we figured we should do a full Panasonic Lumix S1 review to figure out if this camera is really still worth it in 2020. The standard for gold only increases with time. As for me, I have no need to prove myself to you or anyone else. Very different markets. The new DJI Mavic Mini 2 includes several notable improvements over the original Mavic Mini, including 4K video, Raw photo capability, and DJI's robust OcuSync 2.0 transmission system. The only good reason I can think of is how well a gold or silver reword looks on the Amazon pages....And for this camera, it is a great camera with a lot of great features, but it is behind the A7IIIwhen you look at: 1. Saturday April 6, 2019. Real physics and perception are not the same thing either. Gothic streets and cured meats - check out DPR writer Dan Bracaglia's experience of shooting the S1R at Panasonic's launch event in Barcelona. Also S1 got the only dependable Video stabilisation system, and then better Codecs, (V-Log is also coming), 10 bit recording internal, 60fps in crop mode, unlimited recording. We’re going to cover the Panasonic Lumix S1 specs, build, video and lenses. The Panasonic is aimed at people who do serious video and photographic work...So it is fair they did not compared it with each other... "is it better than the K1? I look forward to seeing this EVF on other cameras, including the new GFX 100. It is not an objective standard. The Panasonic Lumix S1 is a full-frame mirrorless camera with 24.2 Megapixels, built-in stabilisation and 4k 60p video. the benefits of computational photography can't be fully realized, when Panasonic doesn't have any lens lineup to speak of. Facebook. Why do people keep repeating this misinformation about h265 being 2x as efficient as h264. Looks like a great hybrid system for most people, although a bit expensive relative to the ( arguably ) benchmark A7m3, at least as far as amateur/enthusiasts are concerned.... Will be interesting to see how the Af system works for most people, as this is not intended to be a sports/action camera. The S1 bucks the trend of Canon, Nikon and Sony, but this is an attempt to steal uncommitted (and unreformed) DSLR customers from Canikon before they make the jump to mirrorless. I'll rather have the same 2kg lens + 500g camera, making the total weight 2.5kg, which is much more manageable, and I'll hold the lens with the left hand, the way it's meant to be. you made that claim, so it's yours to prove, not ours to disprove... so where are the s1r pics that you claim to have shot? And for people to switch, it's more than just a camera that will be evaluated. Such a great feature, especially when using manual and adapted manual lenses. I've felt the same when I upgraded to my A7III from my D70s (I don't change bodies often). As it is better built than its siblings (A7-3? They are the same size and weight. With lenses on the S1 is better balanced and the weight difference negligible. He doesn't care about the size of his gear (using a Hasselblad)An other is doing portraits, mostly hand held, he is holding his camera all day, mostly inside his studio, sometimes in nature. Backlit buttons. You will receive a verification email shortly. Review: Does the Canon Rebel T8i DSLR make sense in an increasingly mirrorless world? The S1 is better than the A7 in some aspects but it arrives a year later and costs 25% more so any shortcoming, like less reliable AF, will make it hard to justify top score. Nikon IBIS is good but not good enough for Video works, youtube is full of comparison video, do you have anything in support of your argument? Otherwise we are faced with and endless supply of variations on the faux-dslr theme. "Sony has mirrorless fast AF figured out, and of course makes great sensors. There are more to a camera than AF system. And then there is the issue of the huge size and weight which is a put off for many people. For instance, do smaller cameras not hold up as well over time and hard use? Photokina has announced via a press release that after 70 years of shows in Cologne, Germany, it will be indefinitely suspended due to 'decreases in the imaging market’ that have ‘force[d] a hard cut.’. DPR's criticism of weight and size, I look at as a positive. @RubberDials I've seen a lot of comments in the forums about hating smaller cameras. Battery life (much shorter then the A7III2. Because the cameras and the lenses from Panasonic are rather expensive. Would this be more a competition to the upcoming Sony AIIIS? Announced in September 2018 and previewed in February 2019, it’s one of two Cameralabs Camera reviews, lens reviews, photography guides The S1H is built on the same platform as Panasonic’s other S1 cameras such as the Lumix S1 and S1R with a bulky, although ergonomic, design. On the video front, the headline feature is that the S1 can shoot 4K (3840×2160) at 60fps and 150Mbps. It's useful for video and stills in whichever orientation you shoot, but it can't be flipped for viewing from in front of the camera. What does dfd lens support have to do with computational photography to such a critical degree? It's cute how almost every 'con' section repetitively whines about "omg so big & heavy..". As usual, the raw files are better, having more detail but more luminance noise. Both can play music but the small and compact one is less likely to break because it's both lighter (which minimizes the force of impact) and more compact with fewer moving parts. When the A7r was launched there were no mirrorless FF cameras available at all. Easy. I have owned Panasonic gear since the 70s, from a radio cassette recorder to audio visual (National Panasonic/Technics/JVC - once owned by Matsushita Electric, who are now Panasonic), the GH2, various compacts, GX8 (best form factor ever), LX100 Mk1 etc. In video. So if you have a 2kg lens, you want your camera to weigh 2kg for the balance, so in total you're going to lift 4kg. I do hardly do any "selfies" or things like that, but low angle shots a lot. Wouldn't the upcoming Sony A IIIS be a better choice as you can use Emount lenses and with a metabones adaptor all Canon Lenses? This article is primarily about the Lumix S1 and its Lumix lenses, but it’s from the point of view of a Leica shooter. given that it's really easy to strip the exif info out of a photo, that claim is not valid. The camera may have got a Silver award, but the review gets a GOLD as usual; DPreview as always is the goto for high standard reviews.Iâm soooo waiting for the S1R review to be posted; however, I have a premonition that it will get a silver award and 89%, as DPreview TV put the S1R above the Z7 but below the A7RIII.That said, I love Panasonic as a brand and have heaps of their products, Iâm also heavily invested in MFT and have some legacy Nikon DX lenses. 24MP full-frame image sensor. The Panasonic S1H is an absolute monster of a camera that's aimed squarely at videographers and filmmakers. Its DFD does just fine with those subjects as well.So unless you have personal experience that differs, your blanket statement is literary hyperbole of the first order. No other camera check mark all the boxes I want to move away from my DSLR. You may got surprised how well it works provided you are not shooting sports. While they were out shooting their video about Sigma's new lenses, Chris and Jordan filled up a memory card with photos from the 35mm F2 DG DN using Panasonic bodies. Weight: When you have to carry this camera a long day, compared with the A7III it is heavy and you will feel the difference...4. AF-C: Although good for most uses, The A7III does better with more FPS3. The 4K24/30 10 bit upgrade is amazing. Yeah, many Canon and Nikon users will tell you that they couldn't use a Sony FF camera - or even pick it up or that it hurt their hand or whatever. The Panasonic S1 has a native sensitivity range of ISO 100-51,200 with expansion settings pushing to ISO 50-204,800. With Panasonic S1, you can record your videos at a highest resolution of 3840 x 2160 at 60p, 30p, 25p, 24p fps with bit rates up to 150 mbps and save in MPEG-4, H.264 and H.265 formats. The Sony AIIS is great with video and low light. Are there AF adapters from other mounts to this mount L ? Yet it proved quite efficient. So you won't buy it if it gets a Silver award? Your second piano analogy is a stretched one as well, since you compare a working concert piano with literally a toy piano that you can fit in your hand. The S1/R has a super high resolution and high quality electronic viewfinder. just more of your sony brand-bashing and name-calling. Yes, you can make that argument with Nikon, Canon, and Sony because they are only offering 8 bit codecs with their log footage, which is kinda stupid. The conventional CDAF in the RX10 wasn't up to the task, but the FZ1000 with DFD did just fine, thank you!Since then I've moved on to the FZ2500, with an improved DFD over the 1000. Memory card: Â Slot 1: XQD, Slot 2: SD/SDHC/SDXC, UHS-II compatible Sam Kieldsen | April 23, 2019 9:42 am BST. @Thoughts R Us - "sonyâ¦ annoying online tr*lls". and yet "Single AF is very fast and precise" and "Face, body, eye and animal AF system works well"............. i'll get me coat. Arguably they failed because their potential market was not that impressed with side hinged lcd units. The Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 and the Panasonic Lumix DC-S5 are two enthusiast cameras that were revealed to the public, respectively, in February 2019 and September 2020. This scoring is full of contradictions, but, considering that DPR staff had to make a public score for always unhappy and self-contradicting amateurs, who complain about anything and everything, this "88%" translates into 98% for the professionals. It features an image-stabilized 24MP sensor and is capable of shooting at up to 9 frames per second. I've asked several times why and he gives no answer. The Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 is the company’s first mid-range, full-frame mirrorless camera. I believe the only real "controversy" surrounding the Panny S1 series is with their AF. Then it becomes a bit laggy even at either of its frame rates. Load Fuji 100Mp, 50MP, and, Sigma quattro SD H at high res (to match approximate size of what is displayed) and the Sigma DP1 Merrill. I think we'll see further innovation as a result of this new trio, and that can't be anything but good for us buyers, regardless of what brand/system you're wedded to. While other manufacturers have plumped for phase detection or hybrid AF systems for their full-frame cameras, Panasonic stuck with contrast detection for the S1. Although it’s an excellent all-round performer, its key strength is its (Portrait) color depth, and its score of 25.2 bits is the second-best result (by just 0.1 bit) we’ve seen for a full-frame sensorat this resolution. Is the Panasonic S1 a good camera? Gold Award, which is what it should have been given anyway. If I posted anything you would just try to tear me down. Dpreview tests are still saying that a side hinged lcd is superior to a tilt one whilst I would argue that the type of hinge is a matter of choice and there is a strong body of opinion that supports each type. A7III didn't have any worthy competition back then at its price point. The best cameras for under $1000 should have good ergonomics and controls, great image quality and be capture high-quality video. Take a piano, it's heavy and large, right? You seem to be continually scanning up and down looking for the feature you want. There is no right or best answer: it comes down to individual preference. The Z6 does look interesting, though. The Panasonic S1 is not only the best-built 24MP full-frame mirrorless camera on the market (though it is heavy), it keeps up with the best of its competitors in most respects. Weight: When you have to carry this camera a long day, compared with the A7III it is heavy and you will feel the difference...4. I don't disagree with computational photography is going to be the way of the future. There was a problem. I got to play around with an S1R ever so briefly, and my observations were these: 1) The EVF transforms the experience. We took a look at the field and selected the Panasonic S1H and GH5 as the best cameras for serious videographers. Such is the power of dslr/slr nostalgia - but it wil all change once the dslr-type shape starts looking âoh so old fashionedâ. WhatsApp. We compare the Canon EOS R6, Nikon Z6 II, Panasonic S5 and Sony a7 III. Really? its built the same as the k1 and the k1 never gets points for this. Why would you assume Pentax is better without knowing what Panasonic does? Raw shots look great at most iso's and the jpeg engine is astounding at preserving fine detail at high iso's. Just watch carefully the differences. This is only true at low but rates. With THAT autofocus tracking performance?Back to Panasonic's core strength. Same for a plane, it's even a lot more massive and designed with safety in mind, yet, if there's a crash, you're not likely to survive at all, simply because of the speed. I definitely want a camera that can take an occasional bump or short drop. The 'One Shot' documentary highlights the incredible amount of preparation and work involved in photographers capturing iconic moments in Olympic history. Panasonic was the first company to make a mirrorless camera, and it’s now had over a decade to perfect the technology. This is hardly the behavior weâd want from a camera with pro-level aspirations.". Only I qualify that and note that larger/heavier often equates with more durable. From which you post your delightful little pics to Facebook and Instagram in order to get thumbs-ups and love hearts. It's not AF but AF-C in videos that is better than S1 and I agree but tbh mostly videographers including me don't use AF-C but just manual focus. an interesting read by the way:https://www.eoshd.com/2019/05/hidden-10bit-5k-mode-on-the-panasonic-s1-has-huge-200mb-bitrate/. It's an incredibly capable camera for stills and video, and is the main rival to the Lumix S1. dpr.com did not list that mushy evf behavior in their "what we don't like" summary. Panasonic S1 Review - S1 Performance. Most probably around 1/30 sec, just like on the A7R3, A73 and Z 6. I think a lot of the size/weight dismissers haven't even touched the camera. Comparing the two cameras is not fair as these are two cameras aimed at different interest groups.The Pentax is aimed at still photographers, doing video every now and then. But if you dont want to shoot high action running dogs, than you are ok with basically all cameras. i think he meant in terms of resolution + DR combined with the occasional use of high res modes. The EOS R and a7 III only come close to the S1's dynamic range up to ISO 800.Â. These two cameras were already announced at Photokina in 2018, but after a long time of waiting, the company finally introduced the full specifications of these models. First thing to say is I have no dog in this fight, I use MFT and not Panasonic. Fujifilm has announced a special version of its 100MP GFX 100 for infrared imaging. But then they didn't have increasing huge lenses to mount either. You don't need a big and heavy camera to balance with a big lens if you know what you are doing. I bought S1 after considering Sony A7III, A7RIII, A9, EOS R. Panasonic S1 is the camera I ended buying and keeping. If these are not great, it is auto silver award or less no matter what. If it were possible that may change people's perception of different cameras and indeed the whole size/weight issue. No one has any idea if this camera is "rugged" or a "workhorse" unless or until it's been out on the field for a few years. Based purely on what's written in the review, doesn't It deserve a higher rating? For photographic needs Sony a7r iv is definitely better, but on videos, there is no comparison. ", Gosh, and I thought the GX8 failed mainly because of its high price, shutter shock and poor IBIS â¦ :D. The larger-the-more-pro-looking fad is back. Pinterest. Bless you, you don't already know that high end Panasonic cameras are video cameras with as good stills capability as possible. They know what they do, and know exactly why they buy certain equipment. Panasonic S1 Review -- Now Shooting! @Thoughts R Us - "None of the mirrorless cameras have any track record". Well I can understand that it might not fulfil your niche.And also feel sorry for you, as otherwise its a great tool! Also, I don't suppose you've been out hiking with your camera. It's really easy for me to take pictures - eyeAF, IBIS, EVF, high dynamic range. What is the sensor readout speed of the DC-S1, please?One can test this with an oscilloscope. The resolution is almost 6M dots and the lag is only 5ms. That's the only explanation I can come up with. I appreciate the ability to 'tilt' vertically (eg, for portrait orientation shots above your head), which both full-articulated as well as dual-hinged displays offer. Most will become obsolete before their shutter breaks. Top information display. You'll see I am right. Panasonic S1 Review Panasonic’s first full-frame camera is a technical – and literal – heavyweight. Better pixel shift tech? Availability of lenses....6. AF is better than 5D IV ? They're releasing the S1H for a different market than this camera. The irony is that I basically agree with your premise that smaller/lighter doesn't necessarily mean less durable. Definitely nailed the peculiar green-blue-gray of the leaves of those tulip plants.Deserves a gold medal just for that. So pour a tall cold one and get ready to treat yourself, 2020 style. Check out our Sony A7 III review. Really the only "weakness" in the camera is its AF system. It uses the L-mount originally developed by Leica and supports Leica lenses as well as lenses from Sigma and Panasonic. You can believe me or not. The S1 can also shoot 4K/60p video from an APS-C region of its sensor or oversampled 4K/30p from its full sensor width. Our favorite gear, rewarded: DPReview Awards 2020, DPReview TV: Battle of the 70-200mm F2.8 zooms (Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic), Panasonic firmware shares more features across S1, S1R, S1H and S5, Panasonic firmware brings 5K recording to S1R, updated autofocus to S1, S1R, S1H, Panasonic interview: 'If we stay united I think we will survive'. Except for pros the buyer base for high end camera gear is shrinking and aging. Also given the way you trash everything else besides Sony your claims about Sony are suspect. Someone must have figured it out already.One of the selling points to me of mirrorless is the truly silent shutter. The eyeAF and lock lever to lock the setting is useful for handling over to someone to take our pictures. I'm not sure if they have Pentax hi res in the studio test scene but if they do you can compare for yourself. Big cameras are going to go away. Panasonic is aiming the Lumix S1 at creatives who want to be able to shoot both stills and video. Nikon's AF in video is much much better than DFD.I have camera with DFD and Nikon Z, so I know the difference. That it can be used for professional video doesn't change the fact that the shape and lenses are all primarily designed for still photography. All content, design, and layout are Copyright © 1998 - 2020 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved. Panasonic S1H vs the Panasonic S1. This website has Panasonic's hi res shots in it's studio test scene. The S1, along its sibling the S1R, also features one of the highest-resolution electronic viewfinders on the market: a 5.7M-dot OLED panel that runs at 120Hz and promises very little lag. • The best Panasonic cameras I second to bokehmon22 on file size and quality of footage, I used it couple of months ago in South East Asia, on number of challenging situations: https://flic.kr/p/2eA8Mnbhttps://flic.kr/p/2ey7cvZhttps://flic.kr/p/2fSqbLh. There's many people that want a well balanced camera with loinger lenses and this is the only MILC providing that. In addition, Nikon's new IBIS is very good and internal video is excellent too, in addition RroResRaw on Ninja is coming. Depending on which system you're in and what your needs are, they might just be the compact, well-priced and impressively sharp little primes you've been looking for. You should too. For a bare-bones kit, the S1 plus the Panasonic 24-105mm f/4 isn’t a bad choice at all, and that combo totals a fairly reasonable $3400. It lowers the number of megapixels whilst upping the video capabilities, promising a more well-rounded camera at a more affordable price-point. Size: 148.9 x 110.0 x 96.7mm (body only) I don't bother reading Sony or Canon reviews as I have no interest in their cameras or lenses and wouldn't waste my energy picking out bits of info from reviews to then spew forth inconsequential rubbish. I'm sure Milkman would tell us if there was a problem with any of his alleged Sony gear, lol! It feels like a beta system for most people hence the poor sale. It is a full frame camera, aimed at advanced photographers, but can also capture high quality 4K videos. Lightning destroyed by Sony TC-K65 Dolby Cassette Deck in the 1980s so we'll not include an act fo God.Panasonic have always put QA first, building their own 'Panasert' assembly machines, so have control over the way components are inserted into the PCBs etc.I would ask those with early Panasonic mirrorless cameras how they are performing today. Its controls take some getting used to, but the S1 offers a superb blend of direct and touch-control. @gfrensen : the points you listed, namely 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, are very important to me, and each of them is a deal breaker actually, so that makes 5 deal breakers, lol. @wasTF other than C-AF in video modes, DFD based AF in general is on par with any other mirrorless full-frame DSLR and it's nothing new only to S1, Panny's latest G models are same. Visit our corporate site. I shot extensively with just manual lenses before and two-hand operation is a must. It would be an interesting study if it were possible to get some accurate data on relative camera reliabilities. Panasonic S1 Review Panasonic’s first full-frame camera is a technical – and literal – heavyweight. Why do you people bother with your silly negative comments about a camera that 99.9% of you have not even tried? Panasonic S1 Comparison Review. So prove to us about your Sony claims. Pinterest. Panasonic Lumix S1 Review Steve has been shooting with the S1 professionally for over 3 months, and shares his impartial views with us below. Other than the G9, all their cameras have been aimed towards hybrid shooters. Horses for courses. ... this video review takes a look at the new Panasonic S1H ... the S1 … It also features nearly 150 wonderful images from past Olympics games. it does it all for you in camera. not too surepros like performanceout and out Iq is usually not number 1 for event pros. If you say the AF on the S1 is not the greatest and its for stills and landscape etc, then the k1 is the closest competitor. Also your focus on the 'untestable' nature of 'durability' and concern that 'small cameras' may not 'hold up' seems to me to be a way of arguing that a demonstrably weak product technically is somehow good in another way, as if manufacturers made a trade off and everything ultimately evens out. I do know some professionals and what you tell is not 100% true. Shares. The only thing that is noteworthy is when a camera does not receive a reward. @Priaptor : LOL, using your own example, the problem is that you think the point of fulcrum is the mount, where the lens ends and the body starts, but that's a very simplistic view of things, the point of fulcrum is actually where you place your hand, so by doing this, you're able to create a perfect balance, and of course it helps if the heavy elements of the lens are at the back, which is the case for the sony 400 f2.8 and 600 f4. The Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 is a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera that was officially introduced in February 2019 and is equipped with a full frame sensor. The Panasonic S1 is the first full frame mirrorless camera from Panasonic, and right out of the gate it’s one of the most perfect cameras out there today, especially for hybrid photo and video shooters. Also the upcoming full VLog firmware which will be free for current owners will give you: 4K UHD up to 30p, 10-bit 4:2:2 internal recording (At 150Mbps). And 4:2:0 10 bit Vlog is only for new users. Nothing wrong with either but let's realize that they are different. It seems like a happy medium camera. Whether or not users on these forums see it, these processes are trends and are subject to change. bokehmon .. Correct. At 2.25 pounds, it has half a pound on the Sony A7 III and Nikon Z 6 — in fact, it’s even heavier than even the Nikon D850 DSLR. and even now ... https://www.eoshd.com/2019/05/hidden-10bit-5k-mode-on-the-panasonic-s1-has-huge-200mb-bitrate/. This is a 47 megapixel full-frame mirrorless camera with 187 megapixel high resolution mode, class leading electronic viewfinder, 6-stop IBIS, and a robust weatherproof body. I travel a lot, so I need something light and compact with fast AF-C and a great battery, so this camera is not for me. A lot of people are going to be surprised when they receive it and hold it for the first time, because it's just so heavy. I have made the same point: we don't know. Panasonic Lumix S1 Review . On paper, the SL system seems the most promising and extensive.
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